I might be a little late to the party, but oh well.
So for those who are completely oblivious to what I'm referring to, or just don't care, allow me to summarize by reiterating what's been talked about by multiple YouTubers for the last few days:
On June 14, the August issue of V-Jump Magazine (Don't ask, cause I don't get it either) has officially announced some fairly minor, but significant plot details about the up and coming new anime Dragon Ball Super. It has been revealed to be set a few years after the end of the Majin Buu Saga in Dragon Ball Z. It's also been confirmed that some things in Super will have tie-ins to the most recent Dragon Ball movie to be released: Fukkatsu no F (Or Resurrection F in America), along with Beerus the God of Destruction and his attendant Whis from Battle of Gods (The movie that came before Resurrection F) being regular characters in the series.
You still with me? Good. Cause that's not even all that's been revealed. If you wish to learn more about the reveal, you can click here to read the article on Anime News Network.
But anyway, let's go over a couple things that I want to address.
Firstly, when I heard that this anime was announced, I had thought it was a badly put together hoax in an attempt to get the Dragon Ball community all across the world to get hyped for nothing. And I remember hearing back when before Battle of Gods had a confirmed date for an English dub release, that Akira Toriyama, the creator of the Dragon Ball franchise as a whole, was dead clear that he did not want to make another anime series. And for a while, I thought that he wouldn't change his mind. Guess I was wrong.
But since this is now officially a thing, I thought about how this would go down. Before there were ever any plot details released, I had wondered when it would be set timeline-wise. And now that we have some of the plot revealed, and watching a few discussion videos about it on YouTube, I was definitely right.
There was no way that Dragon Ball Super could take place after Resurrection F. Granted, the amount of unknown variables that the show has makes it difficult to pinpoint what will happen and when.
Still, I definitely was right in assuming that Super will take place before Battle of Gods. I mean, it only makes sense. People were assuming that it would start out before/after Resurrection F or after Battle of Gods. Though, they're not that far off, mind you.
Secondly, here's my current mindset as of now. Timeline-wise, Super will begin before Battle of Gods, telling of events that took place before the God of Destruction came to earth. And then, after that is done, it'll skip to the telling of events post-Battle of Gods and eventually pre-Resurrection F, along with the possibility of skipping to post-Resurrection F. But I'm getting ahead of myself with that last one.
Anyway, with all that said, something still bothers me. This is a question that I've been trying to create an answer for a long time.
Will Dragon Ball Super retcon the ending of DBZ?
I hope that there are at least some people who are wondering the same thing.
For those that are unaware of even this, I don't blame you. But allow me to break down what goes on.
After Majin Buu is defeated, we get a time skip (I'm not sure if the amount of time passed was ever revealed or not), resulting in Goten and Trunks finally reaching the point where they're teenagers. It was also the day of a future Tenkaichi Budokai (That's what the tournament is called, so don't confuse that with the games).
We are introduced to possibly the most universally hated character in anime history (In my opinion). A newcomer to the tournament name Uub, who is in fact the reincarnation of Kid Majin Buu, goes up again Goku, who purposely holds back to force Uub to unleash his true power.
He eventually does so, and Goku offers to train him, leaving all his friends and family in the dust to train this new face that we never got a chance to see develop that much (Except through Dragon Ball GT, which is a gray area in terms of canon). We are also introduced to Goku's 4-year-old daughter Pan (Who turns out to be a badass in GT in my opinion).
Now, considering all of that, let's consider what has drastically changed from the ending to the new movies that came out.
1. Uub is nowhere to be found.
Now, this could easily be answered by people assuming that he just wasn't there during the whole sequence of events in both movies. Here's where I see a lingering problem: Resurrection F pretty much is an all-out war on Earth. Every character from earth and those that chose to live on earth that had fought within the Dragon Ball series at one point was apart of the fight.
So where was Uub? You mean to tell me that he wasn't there when the fight in Resurrection F started, and never so much as showed up during any point of all the action? Goku's not one to put someone in hiding until something was over. Especially since Uub might end up just being defiant in the end and actually join the fray against Goku's wishes.
So here's what I think: Uub wasn't around because he most likely didn't exist in both movies.
2. Videl is pregnant with Pan in Battle of Gods.
Now tell me. If Pan was 4 when the finale of Dragon Ball Z came around, then how could Pan still be a fetus in Videl's womb? The answer is not that simple. The way I see it, two possibilities are very much likely: Either both movies take place before the DBZ finale, or the finale never existed.
Again, this can't be proven until Toriyama confirms whether or not the DBZ finale will be disregarded. But still, this is something to consider.
3. Goten and Trunks are still kids.
If you recall in the finale, Goten and Trunks were very much teenagers at that point. So if the movies took place after the finale, why are these two kids again? Again, the two possibilities I brought up are equally likely in this case.
Now, people are also drawing parallels from the trailer for Super that was recently released and the movie designs of certain characters, namely Gohan, Videl, Goten and Trunks. People are assuming that because they have the same designs as in the movies, it has to take place after one or both of them, right?
Not really. It's completely possible that Super could be where the designs originate, and remain being used in Battle of Gods and onward. If it's any indication, the plot summary specifically states that Goten will be Videl's brother-in-law, and has to look for a present and what not. Chances are, when Super begins, Videl might not be pregnant with Pan yet, or will be by the end of the first Arc.
I still think that each story arc will revolve around a certain time frame, which are before and after the movies. For example, Arc 1 will be pre-Battle of Gods, Arc 2 will be post-Battle of Gods, Arc 3 will be pre-Resurrection F, etc.
But this still makes me wonder if the finale in DBZ will be scrapped entirely or not to appease the masses that flat out hate Uub? Well, I don't know. I'm not even sure we'll ever get an answer to this. If by some chance this show ties into the finale, a lot of DBZ fans that do hate Uub will probably see this as the biggest fail in Dragon Ball history. I can't speak for the masses, but I can definitely see at least a few people shaking their heads towards something like that.
All in all, there are so many stipulations as to what will happen with Dragon Ball Super. I'm mostly concerned with the fate of DBZ's finale, but I'll be keeping an eye on this show.
Oh, I almost forgot to bring up something significant: What about the fate of Dragon Ball GT?
Now, a lot of you probably don't see GT as canon, and I respect that. Whether or not GT being canon is a gray area in itself like I said before.
But still, I gotta bring it up otherwise someone is gonna call me out on it.
For those who haven't been given the privilege to know about this, I'll gladly explain:
Dragon Ball GT to many fans is considered "fanfiction anime". While it did continue the story from where DBZ ended along with a time skip (Since Uub and Pan are in it), it turned out horribly as the story arcs went on. GT had some good things about it, but was eventually considered a terrible idea. Makes you wonder why Toriyama was involved with the project.
Yeah, you read that right. Toriyama was apart of GT's production. Still thinking that GT isn't canon? Well, I'm sure what I just told you means nothing to you, so I'll just move on.
Anyway, this goes back my question about the finale. What will happen to GT? Well, I can definitely say that it'll be scrapped if the DBZ finale is. Hands down. No ifs, ands or buts about it. But if it doesn't get scrapped, that raises more questions. Will GT still be a thing? Will it be changed to any extent? Or will it just be the Great Divide of the Dragon ball series?
For those who never watched Avatar: The Last Airbender, one of the episodes in the first season known as The Great Divide is known to universally be the worst episode in the entire series, due to a lot of things that I'm not gonna get into. All I'll say is that once the third season comes around, there's an episode that pretty much defecates all over that episode as if it never happened.
If GT ends up in that boat, there's no saving it then.
If you want to know why The Great Divide is so terrible, go check out on YouTube the Nostalgia Critic's video listing the Worst Avatar The Last Airbender Episodes. You'll get a good laugh out of it while watching it. Trust me.
What do you guys think? Do you expect Toriyama to scrap the DBZ finale and make a new one through Super? And if the finale in DBZ were scrapped, how would you feel?
Would you like me to make more speculation articles about Dragon Ball Super in the future? Well, leave me a comment below what you want me to address specifically and I'll see what I can do.
Also, let's keep the discussion going in the comment section down below. I really wanna hear your opinions.
That's all I got to say for now. I'll catch you all later. Peace. Out! ;)