With all the DC movie hype going on, I just have to put in my two cents with everyone. I love this fight DC and Marvel are having in TV and film, and their universe of characters and stories. I'm so excited about all of this that my girlfriend could agree she's tired of hearing my rants. Now, I'm off to rant with you other movie goers who love to talk and discuss movies.
I could see this battle between universes going either way, and there's so many different things about each that are great, but right now I'm putting money on DC. I enjoy Marvel entertainment, but I'm bias to Batman, and DC is now using Batman and this universal battle to start something different and possibly better than Marvel.
This explains why "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" and "Suicide Squad" will ignite the flame for a great movie universe.
Since DC gets a late start, they can plan to do things bigger and better than the standard Marvel has set. I feel DC can only surpass Marvel on a different scale instead of it being worse. The Marvel Universe started with "Iron Man", which was released May 2, 2008. I say that because at the end of that film it is first noticed that Nick Fury shows up, then Stark shows up at the end of “Incredible Hulk” that same year. Both talking about the Avengers.
In that Hulk movie is where they continued the story into “The Avengers”, but not the actor. So, you see, Marvel started putting their universe together by 2008, but not everyone was on board the whole way through. Things were thrown off and they had to work with what was thrown at them along the way. It's like "Iron Man" came out with Nick Fury and no one knew about it, and Marvel was like "Shit! You got people excited and now we gotta make this shit happen somehow." And Robert Downey Jr. is just chillin' sayin' "Hahaha, yeah. Gimme my money."
“Man of Steel” starts the DC Universe, and that was released June 14, 2013. Five years DC has watched Marvel create their universe while fumbling around to do so, and that seems like a good amount of time for DC to plan their strategy, not screw things up, and execute smoothly and differently. I could be wrong, but I'm optimistic.
They are starting their universe with the collaboration of two heroes everyone has been dying to see in a live action film. DC geeks have been waiting for this moment for forever. I know I have. I'm a huge Batman fan and not much of a Superman fan, so, "BvS" gets me excited because these two seem to duke it out, and could end up being a fair fight. Zack Snyder is also known for his vision, so, if all else fails, I think the movie will look freakin' cool as these heroes battle each other.
They are starting a trend for strong female characters/leads. We need more heroes based around women with their own story. Wonder Woman is a better investment, I feel, rather than say Super Girl because Wonder Woman is on her own with her own story and agenda, but Super Girl is related to Superman. There's a big shadow with Superman behind you. Of course, that female uplift will rely on this "BvS" film. If people don't like the Wonder Woman character, then they may call off the solo film. Her fate rests on the shoulders of this film.
Marvel has Black Widow, Captain Marvel, She-Hulk, and Scarlet Witch, but Captain marvel is the only one getting a solo film, and it's still not confirmed than it will be a female. That means DC is the only one confirming they will give us a solo superhero film with a female lead. I nominate Ronda Rousey for Captain Marvel with everyone else if it goes the female way.
Zack Snyder has a great vision in his films, and he's got a good writer. The story in Snyder's films always seem to be leaving something out or missing, though I love the story in "The Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole", but thankfully enough, the writer of this film (David S. Goyer) is known for his storytelling. I'm very optimistic about the balance of vision and story in this film.
The way they tie the stories together with “Man of Steel” already seems cool. Like that joined clip from “Man of Steel” with a clip from the “BvS” Trailer.
On top of those being paired together, they are tying “BvS” to “Suicide Squad” too. There's the intertwining of films like in Marvel movies, but these DC films seem to have more of a connection than the Marvel ones. Maybe because DC learned from critics talking about Marvel's choices, and DC decide to do those things? It also helps that writers and directors are remaining on several different movies because I think that helps the story connections. Stay with the people who know the character and plot the best all the way through.
They will hit us with two huge and highly anticipated movies in the same year. They are building so much hype for "BvS" and "Suicide Squad" that they will grab all kinds of viewers. Especially if they continue to give us cool updates while still keeping things in the dark. They could ruin their chances by releasing too much info, or clips in trailers. So far they are doing things pretty well.
People are dying just to simply see if Ben Affleck and Jared Leto fit the roles they are given. I would watch the movies just to see the portrayal they give as their characters. At this point I'm very enthusiastic about both actors in their roles. Ben as Batman is an entirely separate article.
It could be great that DC releases a “Justice League” film before releasing solo films of Justice League members.
The only solo films we are supposed to have before “Justice League Pt. 1” (Nov. 17, 2017) is “Man of Steel” (June 14, 2013), Wonder Woman” (June 23, 2017).
“Wonder Woman” is set for that date, but I still feel it's possible it could be stopped if her character isn't well liked. No information has been released as to the progression of those two other solo films other than the cast for the respective roles.
In “BvS” Aquaman and Flash are supposed to only make very small and short appearances (and Cyborg too?), but then come in for “Justice League”. Aquaman doesn't get his solo until July 27, 2018 (which I'm dying to see!), Batman gets his in 2018 as well (this film has its own discussion), and Cyborg and Green Lantern get their films in 2020, after “Justice League Pt. 2” (June 14, 2019)! I'm not sure if doing some solo films after Justice League will hurt or help, but it's certainly different. I hope all the same people stay on board through this long process. I think that's key for keeping things connected really well.
This fact also makes us assume that these solo films won't be relying totally on origin stories. It's already stated that in "BvS" Batman has been around for over 20 or 40 years. So, that has to make things true throughout the universe. The solo films may have flashbacks to so pieces of the origin, but won't heavily rely on that story, which could make things a lot more interesting.
These DC films will contain more realistic stories than Marvel. Like in the trailer for BvS, we see the destruction caused in “Man of Steel”, and not everything is magically fixed by the time this movie comes out. In the movies after the 1st “Avengers”, they reference the destruction, but that's it. We don't see it in the next movies, we don't hear horror stories, or how it negatively affected people's lives, but it seems in “BvS” we will get that effect.
Batman/Bruce Wayne uses that as to why he seeks out Superman. One thing I haven't heard people talk about is who sees who as the bad guy? I've heard that people don't like Superman because of the destruction, but I feel that something happens to make a lot of people not like Batman. I think everyone starts off hating Superman, but then Batman does something to make everyone go against him, so, this movie will definitely be more about choosing sides, especially as an audience member. Thus, "Dawn of Justice", I suppose. It's like DC is starting their Universe off with Civil War as Marvel uses Civil War as a continuation in the middle of the universe.
The best part is that DC is giving us a movie full of villains and Marvel hasn't.
I believe DC has better villains anyway. We will witness a lot of firsts with the “Suicide Squad” movie. The first time to see Leto's Joker in full on action. I can't compare Joker's because they are all different, and I love the take Leto is bringing on the character.
We will finally get a Harley Quinn, and all the other villains are not well known or shown in movies. I think giving the villains their own movie will open stories up for the future films.
They are keeping the film world and the TV world separate. This kind of sucks, but it's cool and makes sense at the same time. I'm a big fan of “The Flash”, “Gotham”, and “Arrow” series. I'm such a fan that I'm with the many others in saying Grant Gustin and Stephen Amell need to be in the Justice League films because they are great in their roles, but I understand not trying to cross worlds.
Marvel does cross worlds with the “Agents of Shield” show, but honestly it's the movies that keep the show afloat. DC at least is doing it in a way they can prove that they make the shows and movies float all on their own. That's very commendable.
I'd still like to see “Gotham” cross into “Arrow” and “Flash”, though they are on separate stations, so, I see how they couldn't do that, but “Arrow” is causing all kinds of spin offs and crossovers anyway on the CW (upcoming “Super Girl” and “Legends of Tomorrow”), therefore, it's probably for the best if “Gotham” stays in it's own little world, but it should progressively get better if they want to keep a nice fan base.
***UPDATE: I was reminded that "Supergirl" is on CBS, not CW. So, they should cross with FOX if CW is crossing with CBS***
There are some good straight forward reason why I think DC will make a big impact, and likely do better than Marvel in the long run. I'll still be a Marvel fan too, but I'm ready for more fights with DC. Look out Avengers, the Justice League is coming.
What do you think about the DC movies coming out and the progression of their universe?
If you haven't seen the trailers for "Batman v Superman" (March 25, 2016) or "Suicide Squad" (August 5, 2016), then have no fear because I have them here!
Wonder Woman- June 23, 2017 - Justice League Pt. 1- November 17, 2017 - The Flash March 23, 2018 - Aquaman – July 27, 2018 - Shazam – April 5, 2019 - Justice League Pt. 2 – June 14, 2019 - Cyborg – April 3, 2020 - Green Lantern Corps – June 19, 2020 - The Batman Trilogy (Ben Affleck Writer, Director, and Actor)
Other DC films with no release dates and likely not connected to the universe they are creating: Sandman, Dark Universe, Legion of Superheros, Metal Men, and Man of Steel 2 (This one will be connected).
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