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In the long countdown to [Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice](tag:711870), it's a theory free for all as we all try and guess the plot before the film's release next year. Dual identities, betrayal, and secret Easter eggs, nothing is off limits as fans dissect the limited information we've been given. But how much credence should we give this speculation? And have the newest theories actually cracked the Batman vs Superman case?

Robin's Villainous Turn

By this point, the idea that the Joker killed Robin before Batman v Superman is pretty much common knowledge. We've seen his suit, vandalised in true Joker style after all. But which Joker? The newest theory might surprise you!

The idea is that, after supposedly dying, Robin took up the Joker's mantle to become a new Joker. And it's not just speculation - the apparent proof is that the two punctures on Robin's costume match some old wounds on the Joker's shoulders in the Suicide Squad promo pics...

It's definitely an intriguing idea, and one that would pack a real emotional punch. But how likely is it?

DenofGeek recently debunked this theory, claiming that it didn't follow the Dark Knight Returns comic plotline, which director Zack Snyder does seem to be emulating in Batman v Superman. However, a Robin DOES become the New Joker in the Dark Knight Strikes Again, the sequel comic. So far so good, it's a plotline that's been used before. But there's still a lot of problems with this idea.

The New Joker Robin is Dick Grayson, who WASN'T killed by the Joker, but merely fired by Batman in this continuity (a blow for Nightwing fans everywhere). So this doesn't really match up with Robin being killed by the Joker before Batman v Superman, especially when we consider the similarities Robin's death has to Jason Todd's murder in Death In The Family (where he's beaten to death by, you guessed it, the Joker).

Red Hood's looming presence
Red Hood's looming presence

It could be that Snyder wants to combine the two plotlines or invent a totally new one, so that Robin can become the Joker. But this would erase all the potential of Red Hood for Batman sequel films - after Jason Todd is killed by the Joker, he is indeed resurrected (no-one's ever really dead in comic books), and becomes the sometime villain, sometime ally Red Hood. Of course, this is when things get REALLY complicated, as in one version of the Joker's origin story, his bank robber alter ego was Red Hood, before he became the Joker.

Confused yet? Yeah, us too.

All in all, having Robin (Grayson or Todd) become the Joker may just complicate things, and limit Snyder to just one villain when he could have had two to play with (Joker AND Todd as Red Hood). But the wound hints are there, and unless Jared Leto has some scars he's not talking about, why bother depicting the Joker with these marks in full view, unless you were trying to plant an Easter egg?

We'll probably have to wait a while to find out: Joker hasn't been confirmed for Batman v Superman, and it's possible that Snyder is just playing with ideas for future Batman flicks. So onto the next big theory: Zod is Doomsday... or is he?

Flipper Fingered Monster

Do those look like flippers to you...?
Do those look like flippers to you...?

Michael Shannon's appearance in Batman vs Superman has gone from rumour to reality, thanks to a recently revealed anecdote from the Man Of Steel actor. But his comments have far from confirmed fan hopes that he'll be playing a genetically engineered Doomsday. In fact, we're not sure what to make of his story...

"I was in my costume, and I couldn’t use my fingers because in the sequel I have flippers instead of hands. So I had these wax flippers on my fingers, and I couldn’t open the door, and I could hear Zack Snyder being like, ‘Where’s Shannon? Where the f*ck is he?’ and the whole crew was standing around. I was like, knocking on the door with my flippers, ‘Let me out of here!’ "

So there you have it folks, Shannon is playing a flipper fingered creature in Batman vs Superman. Does this doom hopes for Doomsday? Not necessarily: the "flippers" could be some form of motion capture gear, so that Shannon can portray a CGI Doomsday. Or, of course, the "greatest threat to mankind" mentioned in Batman vs Superman's synopsis might refer to that great DC villain, King Shark...


Make of that theory what you will. It certainly would set Batman vs Superman apart from other DC films... but maybe not in a good way! Other flipper-related options for Zod include The Penguin, Batman's nefarious fowl-themed foe. Or maybe he's some kind of hybrid fish zombie?

This is certainly the strangest piece of news we've had about Batman vs Superman, and it's difficult to work out what it might mean. Or maybe Shannon's just playing with us! We're dying to find out.

So what do you think: are these theories viable, or will Snyder completely surprise us? Let us know in the comments, or write your own post!


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