ByAndy Pham, writer at
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Andy Pham

To start off, this isn't a rant nor this should expect it to be hate towards comic book fans. This is just me speaking my scattered mind whether those characters are better off reverting back to Marvel Studios or not.

Marvel's plan was to release individual films for their main characters and then merge them together in a crossover film. Marvel Cinematic Universe is the highest American film media franchises and shared universes in the world budgeting up to $8.9224 billion beating 'Harry Potter', '007', 'Hobbit and Lord of the Rings' and their rival '20th Century Fox'.

Speaking of 20th Century Fox, they bought the rights to the X-Men and Fantastic Four years ago. We can actually thank them for kick-starting not only the MCU, but the superhero genre as a whole. Without that purchase as they cost $3 billion to purchase, Marvel would have been bankrupt, Iron Man would have to downgrade to Tin Man, and most of you fans wouldn't have anything to write about.

"Singer’s 2000 movie is the catalyst for everything that’s come since, good and bad. Without it, there’s no Marvel Studios." - Mark Millar (Comic book writer for such books as 'Old Man Logan')

I believe it's true that X-Men (film series) has really pioneered the superhero genre and its continuity and shared universes. The Blade trilogy too, and it became the first successful superhero film.

Some comments I've read throughout a post
Some comments I've read throughout a post

Despite everything that Fox has done for the genre, Marvel fans want the rights to go back to Marvel. Just like when the Spider-Man deal was announced after Andrew Garfield wanted more money at Sony. Before I start, don't get me wrong, I will love it when Marvel Studios receives the rights to portray those characters. However there are some things that we all need a reality check on because it is not easy to revert the rights as it looks or sounds.

1. Origins Needs To Be Told

There are some missing mutants and superheroes.
There are some missing mutants and superheroes.

Compared to the X-Men Universe and the Marvel Cinematic Universe, both of them have almost equal, overwhelmingly amount of characters in one studio. All these characters have a story in their respective universe. Some may not know well, some may not have heard it in the movie, some may not have learned it all! Any way, they have an origin; one without the Avengers. Bringing these characters into their separate universe would have to happen either through parallel or a brand new, rebooted introduction.

Wolverine is a good example because his origin is mysterious to others. He may be an Avenger in the comics but they would have to make more than a trilogy so the fans could understand his character. His healing factor, longevity and the ability to live up to 3 centuries are great to adapt to the big screen, however it would be pressuring for MCU to produce under a tight schedule they have now.

Let's assume Marvel Studios use a parallel universe, average movie-goers would have another 16 years of superhero films to catch up on. Why? Because those movies are considered a canon, even in this universe. Awesome. A new burden will be added, alienating viewers and lowering the box office returns. it's overwhelming for Marvel Studios to handle that many characters.

To reboot and restart is a problem in itself. It clears out 16 years of continuity, and while it seems to be working well with Spider-Man, keep in mind that franchise ran for 3 years, not 16. Ultimately, it's a waste either way. We do not want to see Uncle Ben keep getting shot twice throughout those reboots.

2. Too Many Characters and Too Many Movies


20th Century Fox will produce 5 movies over the course of less than 3 years. We will see Deadpool, X-Men Apocalypse, Gambit, Fantastic 4 (Hopefully not), Wolverine III and possibly the New Mutants . Their goal was to reboot the X-Men franchise and show that their franchise are just as good as the MCU.

Marvel Studios will produce 12 movies over the course of 7 years. We met 14.5 heroes (Wasp ain't Wasp just yet) in those 7 years, plus Daredevil and Jessica Jones. Now, Marvel is throwing 11+ heroes at us in 4 years (Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Doctor Strange, Spider-Man, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, and at least 5 Inhumans). Their goal was to map out all the films and TV shows through to 2028.

"It is daunting but it's fun. It's never been done before and that's kind of the spirit everybody's taking it in. The other filmmakers aren't used to getting actors from other movies that other filmmakers have cast, certain plot lines that are connected or certain locations that are connected, but I think... everyone was on board for it and thinks that it's fun. Primarily because we've always remained consistent saying that the movie that we are making comes first. All of the connective tissue, all of that stuff is fun and is going to be very important if you want it to be. If the fans want to look further and find connections, then they're there. There are a few big ones obviously, that hopefully the mainstream audience will able to follow as well. But... the reason that all the filmmakers are on board is that their movies need to stand on their own. They need to have a fresh vision, a unique tone, and the fact that they can interconnect if you want to follow those breadcrumbs is a bonus." - Kevin Feige

Yes I agree with that statement a lot. Don't get me wrong again.

Not trying to stab anyone here or the Earth Mightiest Hero Kevin Feige. Although, it will cause 'audience fatigue'. How many characters can viewers keep up with? If the X-Men and Fantastic Four enter the field, we'd have dozens of characters to handle. Spider-Man already changed up the release dates of almost every movie that was set to come out post-July 2017, and that's just for one character. Shifting things around for ensemble movies would cause an even bigger mess, something that no person wants. With this many characters, it's possible we don't see them until after 2019 and another sequel in the next 3 years or more of impatience and excitement . Of course, this being the MCU and all, we could just sprinkle these characters into other movies right? Like I said, it is not easy to squeeze in or cancel a film that everyone will get excited about. And 'Inhumans' are hanging on a very thin thread.

3. Character Development. Rushing, Rushing, Rushing to the Point

Before I say what I want to say, yes I agree Wolverine, Professor X and Magneto are used a lot throughout the X-Men franchise and I believe everyone should have equal parts. Especially Cyclops who needs to show his leadership skills.

Besides Wolverine and Professor X.
Besides Wolverine and Professor X.

Having as many fan-favourite characters as possible is great, but there is a limit to that extent. Just because they are in the movie which any of the characters can be depending on the studios, doesn't mean it will turn out good. Putting one fan favourite character into another fan favourite's movie would be exciting to watch, but how long until one steals the show from the other? Eventually, someone's character would be thrown to the side.

As an example, let's assume Wolverine is reverted the rights back to Marvel Studios just to produce 'Captain Marvel'. Wolverine is the best thing of what he does, but what he does best, isn't very nice. It would be a throwaway that he is important for the film, but how long will it be 'nice' for him to let Captain Marvel or the other supporting characters to tell us about their personality and their past. She and them would either be severely underdeveloped, teaching potential fans nothing of her origins (and therefore a useless role, seeing as that was the point), or she's featured just enough to distract the audience from Captain Marvel, in which case she hasn't done justice. I may get off some tracks here, but I hope you get what I mean. You could be sacrificing one character for another. And Wolverine is a big character.

Marvel Studios still has too many unused characters on their hands. They don't need X-Men. How would they handle them in this already crowded MCU and their busy schedule?

4. Actor on Actor on Actor... For Money

Money is the result of a good film. The more money the more films will produce, more fans will embrace the love of the film together and more time for actors to reprise their roles. However, there are some conflicts and feuds that are going on in the studios.

For example, Robert Downey Jr. was paid $80 million from Marvel. That's caused some friction between him and former Iron Man costars Terrence Howard and Gwyneth Paltrow. His salary has caused some issues in the past, and it could cause a real problem now too.

This happened the same with Hugh Jackman gets paid more money than the other cast members (Not sure how much). Behind the scenes with Taylor Kitsch as Gambit, one day he wanted a raise for playing a small role because he thought he was paid too little. So the studio decided to replace him with Channing Tatum, which is unfortunate.

Black Panther must be feeling this right now: he gets moved over six months so that we can see Spider-Man on the big screen for the sixth time in 15 years. My point is, buying the rights to Marvel will eventually end up with financial conflicts of who gets the money.

5. Leaves the Great Opportunities

Some of the reboots. The missed opportunity. Sinister Six. Venom Carnage. Black Cat. We lost all those movies last February. When they were announced, it totally blindsided us as fans. These are movies we never thought we'd see. They would have been risky, different, and awesome. But because of the vastness and in-house continuity at Marvel, it's entirely possible we never see these movies.

Speaking directly to X-Men and Fantastic Four now (had this deal been made before the production began on these movies) we could see the cancellation of Fantastic Four 2 (which I refuse to believe is dead), X-Men: Apocalypse, The Wolverine 2 (or 3...?), Deadpool, Gambit, X-Force (?), and New Mutants. It's a shame to see all this stuff go up in flames for a chance to have a mediocre role in a pre-established universe.

What I am trying to say...

To be honest, just let X-Men have their own universe, especially Deadpool who's not really an X-Man, but we will get a great R-rated movie out quite soon, thanks to Fox.

Not all characters should be in the MCU. MCU has flaws as well as Fox, but that doesn't mean that I hate the MCU. Yes I know there are some things from Fox that could use some work, although there are some things MCU is not faithful too. For example:

>Ultron was supposed to be built by Hank Pym, not Tony Stark and Bruce Banner.

>Nick Fury wasn't black until they introduced him to the Ultimate comics with the influence of Samuel L. Jackson face.

>MCU movies can't use the word "mutant" because Fox owns the rights to all X-Men properties, and mutants fall under that category. The Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver of the comics are both mutants, meaning they were born with their powers, but their X-Men connections run deeper than that. They're also the children of the X-Men's greatest foe, Magneto. Obviously the MCU had to switch things around so as not to run into issues with Fox, so in Age of Ultron the twins receive their powers from Hydra experiments and are the orphans of nondescript Eastern European parents. If you want a more slightly more faithful portrayal of Quicksilver (and we mean slightly), check out X-Men: Days of Future Past. Despite his costume from DOFP.

>The Avengers movie features the head of S.H.I.E.L.D., Nick Fury, bringing together Thor, Iron Man, the Hulk, and Captain America, along with S.H.I.E.L.D. agents Hawkeye and Black Widow, to form the Avengers and stop Loki from conquering the world. In the comics, the Avengers are brought together after Loki tricks the Hulk into going on a rampage, and Thor, Iron Man, Ant-Man and Wasp all show up independently to stop him. The five realize they've been tricked and team up against Loki, forming the Avengers.

>In the Avengers the original Ant-Man, Hank Pym, and his wife, the Wasp, are founding members of the Avengers in the comics, and have stayed members in one form or another for most of the team's fifty year history. But in the MCU, we're already two Avengers movies in and haven't seen either character. Hank Pym is scheduled to show up in Ant-Man, but as an old man. Hank will, we assume, be too old to join the Avengers at this point, though that opportunity may fall to the second Ant-Man from the comics and the star of the MCU film, Scott Lang. And the Wasp? Her alter ego from the comics, Janet Van Dyne, is apparently dead in the Ant-Man movie, though there is some speculation that her daughter, Hope, may take up the Wasp mantle in the MCU. In addition to missing out on founding the Avengers, the MCU also robbed Hank Pym of another defining moment of his from the comics.....

> In Age of Ultron, the Vision's brain is based on Jarvis, Tony Stark's computer system/virtual butler. In the comics, the Vision's mind was based on the brain patterns of Wonder Man, a superhuman character who doesn't exist in the MCU (at least not yet). The Vision is also in possession of one of the infinity gems in the movie, something that never happens in the comics, and while this Jarvis plot makes perfect sense for the MCU, it would have been pretty out of place in the comics.

> Peter Quill did not wear a signature red coat in the earlier comics before the movie came out. The success of GOTG changed Peter's look and made him more looking like an outlaw than a space policeman. I do like GOTG a lot but it is a flaw I had to put out, showing that there are times, MCU changes for the better. And to me, it is.

> The MCU movies are remarkably void of any secret identities. The public knows that Iron Man and Captain America are really Tony Stark and Steve Rogers, Hawkeye doesn't wear a mask like he did for most of his comic life, and it's also common knowledge that Bruce Banner is the Hulk. Most of these characters, especially Iron Man, kept their identities secret for decades in the comics, but have been revealed in recent years. Perhaps they wanted to avoid that whole 'Masked-Man' trope that is so common with superhero movies and TV shows these days?

Alright, people get me. I know MCU is still faithful to the comics and it is a big success on the media franchise but if we can accept these changes in the MCU, why can't we accept the changes FOX made?

Before you get defensive, don't get me wrong again. I love the MCU like everyone else. What I am pointing out is the flaws that Marvel Studios has. It makes sense that they have their own version of their universe and us fans accepted it. Fox has some flaws too but we can't accept it? That's blasphemy. X-Men uses the dramatic form of realism, and Fox tried to make it a realistic, authentic and believable experience as possible. So why can't we accept the changes both studios made to suit to the continuity? There are some things that don't mirror with comics and we should not expect them to. Source material is very important, but the essence of the characterisation, setting and plot points are just as important.

I want all the rights back to Marvel!! - Common Marvel Fan

Also DC has two separate universes too. Like the DC Extended Universe for movies and the Arrowverse, Supergirl, Gotham universes for TV. We all accepted they are trying to keep it separate from one another. Why can't we accept it when Marvel has two universes that produces great films and expand their own universes like no other franchises can do?

The reason I said this because X-Men were outsiders and their goal is not only save the world, but wanting acceptance from humanity which they have been fighting for a long time. Fox removes the pressure from MCU of using so many characters to explore their origins and their chemistry with other characters throughout film and TV. Imagine having so many characters in their hands and Kevin Feige tries to figure out what to do with them in the future. Not as easy as it sounds to give rights back to Marvel.

For example, Wolverine is a X-Man as much as he was an Avenger. It would be great if MCU have their version of Wolverine like Quicksilver, however there is a chance they may have to tone down his abilities because he is a limitless cold-blooded killer and most kids with parents who watch MCU films, wouldn't appreciate his bloody methods of dealing with villains. They wouldn't probably let him smoke a cigar and binge drink, despite every party scenes in the movies.

Poor thing. Poor, poor man
Poor thing. Poor, poor man

They would have to show how he got adamantium claws, and I am not so sure if MCU can show it. Netflix would be good, but for a film with the Avengers, this would scare the children. Fox is a bit more serious on their superheroes besides Deadpool and it is great for them to create their universe like MCU. I don't think they want to see Magneto being sarcastic all the time throughout the film. My point for this is, MCU has their limits and so does Fox.

X-Men and Avengers are very different groups and with MCU dealing with that many people in the group, would be overwhelming. Besides MCU couldn't create their vision of continuity without the influence of Fox.

I am not saying that your opinion is irrelevant, because I highly respect everyone's entitlement especially yours. However there are some people who needed to see the way why Fox wouldn't give rights to them. Even though it would be great to see them in that universe. A crossover between two studios would be legendary!

All I could say this, accept that Fox is created their own universe and we all should be grateful to see X-Men come to life. Despite Fantastic Four.

My side... Neutral. I am happy to hear someone else's opinion without causing arguments.

With great power, comes great responsibility - Uncle Ben


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